transcript: fifth republican top-tier debate 2015 - build a room divider wall

by:EBUNGE     2019-09-05
transcript: fifth republican top-tier debate 2015  -  build a room divider wall
In December 15, 2015, the Republican presidential candidate faced foreign policy and domestic issues in Las Vegas, Nevada.
The debate was presided over by CNN.
Host: Welcome to CNN-
The Facebook Republican presidential debate in Las Vegas, the Venetian.
Our audience is very enthusiastic.
Everyone is here.
They look forward to a serious and heated discussion on the security of the country.
Connecticut mom Virginia Beach shooting protesters interrupt Harris, I'm your host Wolf Blitzer tonight.
The debate was broadcast on CNN networks in the United States and around the world, as well as on Salem radio networks.
Nine leading candidates are here.
Let's welcome them now.
Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky(APPLAUSE)
Chris Christie, governor of New Jersey(APPLAUSE)
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush(APPLAUSE)
Texas Senator Ted Cruz(APPLAUSE)
Businessman and real estate developer Donald Trump(APPLAUSE)
Retirement of neural surgery doctorBen Carson. (APPLAUSE)
Florida Senator Marco Rubio(APPLAUSE)
Former hp ceo Carly Fiorina(APPLAUSE)
And governor of Ohio, John C.
Ladies and gentlemen, these Republican presidential candidates are welcome. (APPLAUSE)
This is the last Republican debate before the start of the election year, and we will take a photo of the two candidates on the stage.
Now, please stand up for the national anthem sung by Ella Brown. (National Anthem)(APPLAUSE)
I know everyone is eager to start.
So, candidate, please take your place as I explain the basic rules for tonight.
As a moderator, I will guide the discussion, and Hugh Hewitt, host of the Salem Radio Network talk show, and Dana Marsh, CNN's chief political correspondent, will ask questions with me.
We also ask Republicans and independents across the country to share their issues for candidates.
Over the past few weeks, we have partnered with Facebook to send a campaign camper across the country.
Thousands of people came in and recorded their problems.
There are millions more users on Facebook.
Candidates, I will try to make sure that each of you gets a fair share of the issues.
You have a minute and 15 seconds to answer, and the next 30 seconds.
Ups and rebuttal.
I will give you time to respond if you are criticized by name.
Our audience should know that when the candidate's time is up, we have timing lights that we can see to warn them.
As requested by the candidate, the bell will be like this.
We know you are all keen to get involved in discussing these important issues, so please wait until you are invited.
The nine Republicans are on stage based on their ranking in recent polls, so let's start now.
I would like to invite every candidate to introduce himself to our audience.
Give you a minute.
First, Senator Paul.
The question is, how do we protect the United States from the threat of terrorism?
Trump said we should shut down the Internet.
The question is, what does he mean?
Like in North Korea?
Like in China?
'We should always collect records of all Americans, 'Mr. Rubio said.
The constitution also stipulates.
I think they're all wrong.
I think by showing the terrorists that we are not afraid of terrorism.
I think if we ban certain religions and if we review the internet, I think the terrorists will win at this point.
Regime change will not succeed.
The overthrow of secular dictators in the Middle East will only lead to chaos and the rise of radical Islam.
I think if we want to defeat terrorism, if we really want to defeat it, we have to stop arming ISIS allies.
If we want to defeat terrorism, the boots on the ground-
The boots on the ground need to be Arab boots on the ground. As commander-in-
Chief, I will do everything I can to defend America.
But in the process of defending the United States, we cannot lose what the United States represents.
Today marks the anniversary of the Bill of Rights.
I hope we keep this in mind and cherish it in our fight against terrorism.
Thank you, Senator. (APPLAUSE)Governor Kasich?
Thank you, Wolf.
Just last weekend, just last week, a friend asked one of my daughters, "Do you like politics ? "?
My daughter said, "No, I don't know . "
The reason I don't like it is because there is too much fighting and too much shouting.
It's too loud. I don't like it.
"You know, I turned to my friend and I said," she was really doing something, you know.
"When we think about our country and the major problems we face in this country;
Create jobs, make sure people keep their jobs, raise the demand for wages, whether our children can find jobs after they graduate from college, protect their homes, destroy ISIS, and rebuild their defense.
These are the things we need to focus on, but we will never get there if we split.
If Republicans and Democrats just fight each other, we will never get there.
Frankly, we are Republicans, they are Democrats, but before that we were Americans.
I believe that we need to be united in many ways, to rebuild our country, to strengthen our country, to rebuild our defense, and to ensure the status of the United States in the world;
For us, for our children, for the next generation. Thank you. (APPLAUSE)
Governor Christie?
Christie: Thank you, Wolf.
America was betrayed.
Over the past few years, the leadership that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have provided for this country has betrayed us.
Think about what happened today.
The second-largest school district in Los Angeles was closed due to threats.
Think about the impact, and when these kids come back to school tomorrow, they will feel anxious about whether they will really be safe or not.
Think about the mother who will take these children to the bus station tomorrow morning and wonder if their children will return safely to that bus.
Think about the father of Los Angeles, who will go to work tomorrow and are curious about the safety of their wife and children.
What did Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton do to the country?
The most basic responsibility of a government is to protect the security of the American people.
I tell you, I'm a former federal prosecutor. I fought with terrorists and won. when we return to the White House, we will fight with terrorists and win again, america is safe. (APPLAUSE)BLITZER: Ms. Fiorina?
Like all of you, I'm angry.
I am angry at what is happening in our country.
Citizen, it's time to bring our country back.
The insults that are exaggerated will not be recovered.
Political rhetoric that promises a lot and promises very little will not be withdrawn.
All our problems can be solved.
A tested leader willing to fight for the identity of our country can heal all of our wounds.
I have tested it.
I beat breast cancer.
I buried a child.
I started with the secretary.
When I was called every B word in the book, I tried to get to the top of the American company.
I fought hard during this election and debate, and all the political insiders and experts told me, "this is impossible.
I was told, "No, my life.
I have refused to accept the answer "no" all my life.
Citizens, it's time to take back our country from the political class, the media, and the liberal elite.
This can be done, must be done, and together with me, we will be done. (APPLAUSE)
Governor Bush?
Bush: our freedom is under attack.
Our economy is in hot water.
Democratic leaders are under investigation.
The United States is under the rain of bullets that lead the free world to protect our civilized way of life.
A serious era requires strong leadership, which is the key now.
With regard to national security, we need to restore Barack Obama's defense spending to rebuild our army and destroy it before ISIS destroys us.
With regard to economic security, we need to take power and money from Washington, DC. C.
And empower American families to rise again.
Look, America is still a special country.
We like leadership. We like winning.
When we accept any challenge, when we accept it, we do so.
We support our friends.
As President, I will ensure the security, security and freedom of you and our country.
Thank you.
Senator Rubio?
Thank you, Wolf.
It's great to be back in Las Vegas.
As a child, it took me six years to grow up not far from where I am tonight.
I used to sit on our porch and listen to one of my grandfathers smoking three cigars a day, telling stories.
One of the things my grandfather instilled in me was that I was really lucky because I was a citizen of the greatest nation in our human history.
But there are always people in American politics who want America to be more like the rest of the world.
In 2008, one of them was elected president of the country, resulting in a disaster.
You have millions of Americans feeling left out today. . .
Today, you have millions of Americans who feel left out in their own country and struggle to live on a salary because they stick to traditional values and are called bias.
Around the world, when the president destroyed our army, our allies no longer trusted us, and our opponents no longer respected us, the influence of the United States has declined.
That is why this election is so important.
That's why I ran for president.
That's why I want you to vote tonight.
If you choose me as President, we will have a president who believes that the United States is the greatest country in the world, and we will have a president to do so. (APPLAUSE)
Senator Cruz.
Thank you, Wolf.
The United States is in a state of war.
Our enemy is not violent extremism.
This is not some kind of nameless malicious power.
It's a radical Islamic terrorist.
We have a president who does not want to name himself.
Men and women on this stage, each of us, are better prepared to protect the country than Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.
We need a president who understands the commander's primary obligation. in-
The first priority is to keep America safe.
If I were elected president, we would pursue the terrorists.
We will destroy ISIS.
We will stop the terrorist attacks until they happen, because we will not be prisoners of political correctness.
Instead, we will tell the truth.
Border security is national security and we will not recognize the jihadist as a refugee.
We will keep America safe. (APPLAUSE)BLITZER: Dr. Carson.
Thank you, Wolf.
Please join me in a moment of silence for the victims of San Bernardino. Thank you.
You know, our country has been in war every 15 or 20 years since its inception.
But the war we are now fighting with radical Islamic Jihad is something we must win.
Our existence depends on that.
You know, as a pediatric neurosurgeon, I often face issues of life and death and have to come up with the right diagnosis, the right plan, and often carry out the plan with other colleagues.
Now, America is the patient.
The patient is in critical condition and will not be cured by political correctness or timidity.
I ask the Congress on behalf of the people to declare war on ISIS so that we can start the process of removing cancer, start the process of treatment, bring peace, prosperity and security in the United States. (APPLAUSE)BLITZER: Mr. Trump.
TRUMP: Thank you.
I started this trip six months ago.
My whole focus is to build our army, strengthen our strength, build our borders, and ensure that China, Japan and Mexico no longer take advantage of our country's borders and trade.
Certainly not to make such a terrible, disgusting, absolutely incompetent deal with Iran getting $150 billion.
They are a terrorist country.
But I started talking about other things.
These are the things that I am very good at. maybe that's why I became the center of the stage. People saw it.
People like it.
People respect it.
Things changed a month ago.
Radical Islamic terrorism is more effective than in the past.
People like what I say.
People respect what I say.
We have had a very big discussion that needs to be done.
Thank you very much. (APPLAUSE)
B: Thank you.
Since the last debate, Americans have witnessed terrorist attacks in Paris and San Bernardino.
The FBI director says the United States is now facing the biggest terrorist threat since 9/11.
You all have different ways to keep the country safe.
This will be the focus of the debate tonight. BLITZER: Mr.
Trump, as you mentioned in your opening speech, part of your strategy is to focus on the borders of the United States.
For national security, you said you wanted to ban it for the time being.
Muslims from the United States;
Refugees fleeing ISIS are prohibited from coming here;
Deportation of 11 million persons;
The southern border of the United States.
The best way to make America great again is to isolate it from the rest of the world?
Trump: We're not talking about isolation.
We're talking about safety.
We're not talking about religion.
We're talking about safety.
Our country is out of control.
People are flocking to the southern border.
I'm going to build a wall.
This will be a great wall.
They won't come in unless people come in legally.
The medicine will not fall out of that wall.
Like the rest of the immigrants, where are they going, and thousands of people have phones with ISIS flags?
I don't think so, Wolf.
They won't come to this country.
If I were president, if Obama brought some to the country, they would leave. They're going. They're gone. (APPLAUSE)
Governor Bush, you called Mr. Bush.
When Trump proposed banning
American Muslims from the United States
Why is that?
BUSH: First of all, we need to destroy ISIS in the caliphate. That's --
This should be our goal.
If we destroy ISIS there, the refugee problem will be solved, which means we need a No.
The flight area, the safe area for refugees, and the establishment of a military force.
We need to take our strength-
Our troops inside the Iraqi army.
We need to arm the Kurds directly.
All of this must be done together with the Arab states.
If we are going to ban all Muslims, how can we make them part of the coalition to destroy ISIS?
The Kurds are the most powerful fighting force and our most powerful allies. They're Muslim.
This is not a serious suggestion, you see.
In fact, when we need to re-engage with the Muslim world in order to be able to develop a strategy to destroy ISIS, it will push the Muslim world, the Arab world away from us.
So Donald, you know, in--at the one-
But he's a chaotic candidate.
He will be a chaotic president.
He is not the commander-in-chief we need to defend our national security. (APPLAUSE)BLITZER: Mr. Trump?
Jeb really didn't believe I was crazy.
He said this simply because he failed in the campaign.
It was a disaster. Nobody cares.
Frankly, I am the most reliable person here.
I have built a great company and all I want to do is make America great again.
I don't want our country taken away. that's what's happening.
The policies we have suffered under the leadership of other presidents are a disaster for our country.
We want America to be great again.
To be fair, Jeb does not believe it.
BUSH: You see, he mentioned me. I can bring --I can talk. This is --
This is the problem.
Banning all Muslims will make it harder for us to do what we need to do, which is to destroy ISIS.
We need a strategy.
We need to get those lawyers out of the back of the fighters.
Now under President Obama, we created this. -
This standard is so high that it is impossible to succeed in the fight against ISIS.
In order to achieve this goal, we need to engage with the Arab world.
That's not a serious suggestion. -
For those of you who ask for their support, they can't even come to this country to talk to us.
This is not a serious proposal.
We need a serious leader to deal with the problem.
I believe I'm the one. (APPLAUSE)
Senator Rubio:-
I'll go to Senator Rubio and hear what he thinks.
You said it was against the constitution to ban Muslims.
But according to the latest ABC News
In a Washington Post poll, most Republicans support Obama. Trump's idea.
Why are they wrong?
RUBIO: Well, I understand why they feel that way because the president didn't protect us.
The problem is, we were attacked in San Bernardino.
We have looked at the most important issues we have faced in the decade since 9/11, and then all the discussions are about this proposal, which will not happen.
But it is important that we respond positively to the threat of extremist Islam, especially from ISIS.
This is the most complex terrorist organization that has ever threatened the world or the United States.
They are actively recruiting Americans.
The attacker of San Bernardino was an American citizen, born and raised in the country.
He's a health inspector.
There was a new child who left all of this in order to kill 14 people.
We also understand that this is a growing group in territorial governance.
Not just Iraq and Syria.
They are now a major group in Libya.
They began to appear in Afghanistan.
They are now increasingly involved in attacks in Yemen.
They saw Jordan.
This group needs serious advice.
This is a very significant threat to us.
The president made us unsafe.
He spoke to the American people the other night, reassuring us.
I wish he had not spoken at all.
He made things worse.
Because what he basically says is that we will continue to do what we are doing now, and what we are doing now does not work. (APPLAUSE)
Hewitt, you have a problem.
HEWITT: Senator Cruz, you said you don't agree. Trump's policy.
I don't want matches in the cage.
You tweeted that you don't want a cage game.
But Republican primary voters should know how you disagree with Obama about the kind of concrete and reaction you made in nine Supreme Court debates. Trump.
Can you make it clear to us?
CRUZ: Well, look, Hugh, everyone understands why Donald is making his suggestion.
We are looking for a president who is involved in this double.
Speak where he does not call it radical Islamic terrorism.
In fact, he gave a speech after the attack in San Bernardino, and his approach was to try to pursue the legal rights given by the Constitution --
Not to protect our safety.
To make matters worse, when the FBI director told Congress they could not review the refugees, President Obama and Hillary Clinton proposed bringing thousands of Syrian refugees to the country.
I understand why Donald made this suggestion.
I put forward a piece of legislation in the Senate that I think is more narrowly focused on the actual threat of radical Islamic terrorism, what my legislative council is doing is suspending refugees from all countries where ISIS or al-Qaida control large territory for three years.
Hewitt: So you mean you don't agree with him because he's too broad and your focus is narrower?
Why don't you agree with him?
CRUZ: Well, you know, I think of what Roosevelt's grandfather said.
He said, "all the horses
Thieves are Democrats, but not all Democrats are horses. thieves. " (LAUGHTER)
In this case, there are millions of peaceful Muslims in the world. in countries like India, we can't see problems in controlled countries ---
With al-Qaida or ISIS-controlled territory, we should address this issue directly, focus on it and defeat radical Islamic terrorism.
This is not a war of faith;
It was a war against the political and theocratic ideology that tried to murder us.
Hewitt: Carly Fiorina. . . (APPLAUSE). . .
This is the Christmas dinner debate.
This will be the debate Americans are talking about at Christmas.
So far, in the first 10 minutes, we haven't heard much about Ronald Reagan's city on the mountain.
We have heard a lot about keeping Americans out of their homes or protecting the safety of Americans and others.
Is this what you want the party to represent?
I think what we need to represent is the solution.
I use myself as the leader of the people of this country because I think they are looking for a solution, not a lawyer who is arguing for the law or an entertainer who throws out sound clips that attract media attention.
We need to solve this problem.
In order to solve this problem, we need to do something at home and do something in their caliphate.
We need to take their territory away.
But at home, we need to do two basic things.
First, we need to recognize that technology is improving.
The Patriot Act was signed about 2001.
An IPhone was invented in 2007.
An IPad was invented in 2011.
Snapchat and Twitter, all the others have been around for years.
Technology has improved and terrorists have also advanced.
Let me tell you a story.
Shortly after the 9/11 incident, I received a call from the National Security Agency.
They need help.
I gave them help.
I parked a truck of equipment.
I turned it around.
Escorted into the headquarters by the National Security Agency.
Because there is no innovation in government, we need help from the private sector.
Technology is moving forward by leaps and bounds.
As I helped after 9/11, the private sector will help as well.
But they must be engaged and they must be asked to be engaged.
I will ask them. I know them. (APPLAUSE)
BLITZER: Governor Christie, Americans today are clearly more scared than at any time since 9/11.
As you mentioned in your opening speech, today in Los Angeles, 650 schoolchildren did not go ---
650,000 schoolchildren did not attend school due to email
The Mail threatened two weeks after the San Bernardino attack killed 14 people.
Is this the new normal?
If so, what would you do as president of the United States to ensure that fear does not paralyze the United States?
Unfortunately, under the leadership of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, this is the new normal.
The truth is, if you listen to Hillary Clinton the other day, what she said to the American people, about ISIS, my strategy is similar to that of the president.
Similar to the president?
We have people all over the country scared to death.
Because I can tell you that as a former federal prosecutor, if a development disability center in San Bernardino, California is now a target for terrorists, this means that all parts of the United States are targeted by these terrorists.
Now, I have been doing this for seven years after September 11, working with the Patriot Act, working with our law enforcement, working with the monitoring department to ensure the security of the United States.
Wolf, what we need to do is restore the tools that have been taken away by the president and others, and restore them to the NSA and to our entire monitoring and law enforcement community.
We need a president who will understand what the actionable intelligence looks like and act on it.
We need a president and a cabinet who understands that the first and most important priority of the president of the United States is to protect the safety of Americans.
As someone who has done this, I will make sure it is done again. (APPLAUSE)
B: Thank you.
Governor Kasich, one of the killers of San Bernardino, is an American who is not on anyone's watch list.
How will you find that radical person and stop another such attack?
Kasic: First of all, Wolf, I said in last February that we need someone on the ground, the forces of the coalition on the ground similar to the first Gulf War.
I remember the Egyptian ambassador to the United States standing in the Rose Garden, promising the Arab countries to expel Saddam from Kuwait.
Before we came here tonight, I was told that Saudi Arabia has organized 34 countries that want to participate in the fight against terrorism.
First, we need to destroy ISIS.
We need to do this with our Arab friends and our friends in Europe.
When I see them holding a climate conference in Paris, they should talk about destroying ISIS because they are involved in almost every country in the world. (APPLAUSE)
Now you destroy ISIS in a coalition.
You have common intelligence with our European friends.
Then at home, there is something called the joint terrorism task force led by the FBI, which consists of local law enforcement officers, including state police.
They need tools.
These tools include encryption, and we can't even hear what they're planning.
When we see the red flag, a father, a mother, a neighbor who says we have a problem here, then we have to give law enforcement the ability to listen, so that they can destroy the attacks before they happen.
We can do that, but we must act.
Pay me now or pay me more later.
This is the direction we need to go. (APPLAUSE)
B: Thank you.
Dana Bash, you have the next problem.
How to balance monitoring and privacy and protect the safety of Americans is a vital issue.
Senator Cruz, you voted in favor of a bill signed by President Obama on June, which makes it harder for the government to get the telephone records of Americans.
Is your vote wrong given the San Bernardino attack?
CRUZ: Dana, the premise of your question is inaccurate.
I am proud to be working with the Conservatives in the Senate and the House to reform how we target the bad guys.
The American Freedom Act did two things.
First, it ended the federal government's extensive collection of telephone metadata for millions of laws
Law-abiding citizens.
But the second key in the second half is.
It has strengthened national security and law enforcement tools for tracking terrorists.
It gives us more tools that we now see working in San Bernardino.
In particular, what it does is that the previous program only covers relatively narrow telephone calls.
When you meet a terrorist, you can only search for relatively narrow numbers, mainly land lines.
The US Freedom Act has expanded this scope, so now that we have phones, now that we have internet phones, now that we have phones that terrorists may use, the focus of law enforcement is on bad people.
You know what the Obama administration has been making mistakes is that every time something bad happens, they pay attention to the law --
Instead of focusing on the bad guys, it's law-abiding citizens.
We need to focus on radical Islamic terrorists and we need to stop them before they commit terrorist acts. (APPLAUSE)
Carnival: Thank you.
Senator Rubio, Senator Cruz, is right, and both parties support that.
But you voted no.
Is Senator Cruz wrong?
RUBIO: He's the same as those who voted for it.
Some voted for it because they wanted to keep it alive and they were worried that the whole project would expire.
This is the world we live in.
This is a radical jihadist organization whose capabilities are becoming more and more complex, for example, radicalizing American citizens and not being able to take advantage of the loopholes in our legal immigration system, as I outlined earlier, it has the capacity to occupy and occupy the territory of the Middle East in a number of countries.
This is not only the most capable, but also the most complex terrorist threat we face.
We need more tools now, not less.
This has cost us metadata programs, a valuable tool we no longer have.
Senator Cruz?
CRUZ: Well, you know, I'll notice that Marco knows that what he's saying is not true.
You know, Mark Levin wrote a column last week saying that the attack ad that his super PAC is running is also saying the same thing, and they are deliberately false, in fact, arlinski-
Attacks like Barack Obama.
The reason is simple.
All he knows is that the old program covers 20% to 30% of phone numbers searching for terrorists.
The new project covers nearly 100%.
This has given us greater capacity to stop terrorist acts, which he knows is the case.
Dana, can I chime in here? BASH: Senator --Senator --
Senator Rubio, please reply.
RUBIO: In answering this question, let me be very careful because I don't think the national TV station in front of 15 million people is the place to discuss confidential information.
So let me make it clear.
Under this bill, we are not allowed to do anything that we could not have done before.
However, this bill does deprive the National Security Agency of valuable tools and other laws ---
And other intelligence agencies quickly obtain phone records and match them with other phone records to see who the terrorists are calling.
Because I promise you, the next time there's an attack-
The first thing people want to know about the attack on this country is, why don't we know, why don't we stop it?
The answer is best not because we don't have access to records or information that will allow us to identify these killers before they attack. (CROSSTALK)(APPLAUSE)
Senator Paul, Senator Paul, I know. -
This is a very big problem for you.
You heard that many of your colleagues are calling for more enforcement oversight.
You call and talk nonsense.
Why nonsense?
PAUL: You know, I think Marco was totally wrong.
By collecting records of all Americans in large numbers, we are not safe.
In fact, I don't think we are safe.
We were distracted by all the information and we didn't spend enough time getting specific immigrants-
Specific information on terrorists.
The other thing is that one thing that might stop San Bernardino, and one that might stop 9/11 people is to have more strict control over the people who come here.
Marco opposes security at every point. -
Border security for those who come to our country.
He could have let go of immigration in his eight-man gang bill, but he didn't ---
He strongly opposes any new border security requirements for refugees or students.
Last week, I put forward another bill saying that we need more security and more scrutiny.
Mark again objected to this.
So Marco can't have the best of both worlds.
He thinks he wants to be someone like this, "Oh, I'm great and strong in defense.
"But he is the weakest of all immigration candidates.
He is a man who opens the border and makes us unprepared.
If we want to defend this country, we have to defend who will come in--
Loyalty to Chuck Schumer and liberals is more than his loyalty to Conservative policy. (APPLAUSE)
Senator Rubio?
Rubio: I want to thank Rand for another 30 seconds, because, first, he was referring to a bill last week ---
Only 10 people voted for the amendment. You know why?
Because it's not against terrorists.
It will ban anyone from coming here.
People from Taiwan cannot come here as tourists.
Second, this procedure, this metadata procedure is actually more stringent than the regular law enforcement agencies now.
If an ordinary law enforcement agency wants your phone record, all they have to do is issue a subpoena.
But now, the intelligence agencies are not able to collect records quickly and look at them to find out who these terrorists are calling.
The terrorists who attacked us in San Bernardino are American citizens, born and raised in this country.
I bet we hope we get access to his five-year record so we can see who he works. . . (CROSSTALK)
Governor Christie, Governor Christie. . . (CROSSTALK)(APPLAUSE)
Governor Christie, I'll come to you later.
Continue, Senator Paul.
If I am mentioned in the question, can I answer it?
BASH: please proceed.
Paul: Marco is still misunderstood about immigration.
What I am proposing is an amendment that will temporarily stop immigration
But I want them to enter through the globe and this is a project we do background checks on.
The problem is that every terrorist attack we have suffered since 9/11 is legal immigration.
Marco wants to expand this area.
I want more rules, more scrutiny, you have to defend the border in order to defend the country. (APPLAUSE)
Senator, we're going to talk about immigration in a moment.
But, Governor Christie, listen to this. . .
Do I have 30 seconds left?
He mentioned me.
Listen to this. you said--
You hear Senator Paul, Senator Cruz, talk about how important it is to protect the privacy of Americans, even in times of grave danger. Why --
Is there any problem?
Christie's: Listen, I want to talk to the audience at home.
If your eyes are covered in glass like mine, that's how it feels on the floor of the US Senate.
I mean, endless debate, from those who have never made a corresponding decision in the executive position, how many angels are standing on the pin's head.
In fact, for seven years I have had to make these decisions after 9/11 to decide how to proceed with the investigation or how to withdraw it, whether or not you have used some kind of actionable intelligence.
However, they continue to debate the bill and the subcommittee,-
Nobody cares about this in America.
Christie: What they care about is, will we have a president who really knows what they're doing to make those decisions?
Over the next seven years, New Jersey was threatened like the rest of the country, and what we did was take action within the constitution to ensure that law enforcement had all the information they needed.
We have prosecuted the world's two largest cases of terrorism, and stopped Fort Dix from being attacked by six American radical Muslims from a mosque in New Jersey. we used the Patriot Act to get other information to make sure we completed these cases.
That's the difference between being a federal prosecutor and actually doing something, not just spending your life in a hundred debates.
Let's talk about how we can do this, not which bill these people prefer.
The American people do not care about it.
B: Thank you. Dr.
Carson, you're in favor of spying on mosques and schools with anti-fascist elements.
American sentiment, what do you think is-America?
Carson: First of all, let me complain a little.
This is the first time I have spoken and a few people have a lot of questions so please note.
Now, in terms of monitoring, my point is that we need to make sure anywhere --
I don't care about mosques, schools, supermarkets, theaters, you know it's okay.
If a lot of people get there and get involved in radical activities then we need to doubt it.
We have to take care of all these computers.
People are worried that someone will say I'm Islamophobia or what you have.
It's crazy because we're fighting.
That's why I asked Congress to continue to declare war.
We need to stand on the ground of war.
We need to understand that our country is in grave danger.
You know, the Muslim Brotherhood said in the explanatory memorandum found during the shrine Foundation trial, "they will use our computer attitude to attract us.
We must be better than that.
We must be smarter than them. BLITZER: Dr.
Carson, who was right in the little debate between Senator Rubio and Senator Paul that we just heard?
Carson: I think you have to ask them about this.
I don't want to be between them. Let them fight. (CROSSTALK)
BLITZER: Wait a minute, we still have a lot of things to do and everyone has a full chance.
Six days after the 9/11 incident, Governor Bush visited a mosque and said: "Islam is peaceful.
"The conversation tonight is about banning Muslims and spying on mosques, does President Bush's words still make sense in today's Republicans?
BUSH: They are pious if we want to destroy ISIS.
If we want to destroy radical Islamic terrorists, we cannot separate ourselves from peace-loving Muslims.
If we want to do it ourselves, we will fail, but if we do it with people who are also facing the threat of Islamic radical terrorism, we will be more successful.
Look, the FBI needs tools.
American activities in our country
It's still going on and we shouldn't even talk about it and be honest with you in public.
Of course, they have these capabilities and we should make sure that we give the FBI, the NSA, our intelligence services all the resources they need to keep us safe.
But the main thing we should focus on is the strategy to destroy ISIS.
Before the Paris tragedy, before San Bernardino, I made a plan for the Reagan library to do so.
It needs leadership, and it is called success instead of submitting an amendment.
It is working on a strategy to lead the world and fund it to make sure we have a second-to-none army and do the job well to make sure we are there to destroy ISIS.
That's how you protect America. BLITZER: Ms.
Fiorina, as you pointed out, you are the CEO of 9/11 Silicon Valley.
The companies there said they would not help the FBI crack the encrypted communications of ISIS if they were forced to do so.
Fiorina: You know, after listening to this conversation, let me say that we have a lot of arguments about the law, but none of them can solve the problem.
Let's take a look at what happened, why did we miss the Tsarnaev brothers, and why did we miss the San Bernardino couple?
It's not because we stopped collecting metadata, it's because, I think, as someone from the technology world, we used the wrong algorithm.
The private sector may be helpful in this place because the government is far behind the technology curve.
But second, the bureaucratic process that has existed since 9/11 years is also seriously inadequate.
What do we know now?
The Department of Homeland Security conducts veterinary examinations by entering a database of known or suspected terrorists.
However, we also know that ISIS is recruiting people who are not in these databases.
Of course, we will miss them.
Then we know that the Department of Homeland Security says, "No, we can't check their social media.
"For God's sake, every parent in the United States is checking social media, every employer is checking, but our government can't do it.
Bureaucratic procedures are far behind.
Our government has become incompetent, unresponsive and corrupt.
Now, incompetence and lack of responsibility are dangerous.
That's why we need a different kind of leadership at the White House that understands how to empower the bureaucracy again.
But my question is, should these Silicon Valley companies be forced to work with the FBI?
Fiorina: they don't need to be forced.
They need to be asked to bring the best and brightest, latest technology to the table.
I was asked to be CEO.
I promised happily.
They will, too.
But no one asked them.
That's why it costs billions of dollars to build a failed Obama website because there is no demand for the private sector. (APPLAUSE)
BLITZER: Mr.
Trump, you recently suggested shutting down the Internet, which is your words as a way to stop ISIS from recruiting online.
Are you referring to the actual part of shutting down the Internet?
Some say it will make the United StatesS.
Consistent with China and North Korea.
Well, it's easy to answer, you see.
ISIS is recruiting through the Internet.
ISIS uses the internet better than we do, and that's what we think.
What I want to do is, I want our distinguished people in Silicon Valley and elsewhere to come up with a way that ISIS can't do what they're doing.
You're talking about freedom of speech.
Say whatever you want.
I don't want them to use our Internet to attract our young and vulnerable young people and watch the media talk about how they became masters ---
These are masters.
They should not use the word "plan.
"These are thugs.
These are the terrorists of ISIS, not the mastermind.
We must change it from every angle.
But we should use our smart people, our brightest minds, to come up with ways that ISIS can't use the Internet.
Second, we should be able to understand through the Internet exactly where ISIS is and everything about ISIS.
We can do this if we use our good people. (APPLAUSE)
Let me follow up, sir. Trump.
So are you willing to turn off some of the Internet?
TRUMP: Of course I am willing to close the area where we are at war with someone.
I certainly don't want people who want to kill us, who want to kill our country to use our internet. Yes, sir, I am.
B: Thank you.
Governor Kasich, is it a good idea to shut down any part of the Internet?
No, I don't think so.
I want to go back to two other questions.
One is metadata.
We know that we have to keep this data for a longer period of time.
Chris is right in many ways.
Look, what the president has to do is take a stand.
We don't want to make mistakes because we have less money.
We want to make mistakes in having more.
This is good for our family.
Besides, the wolf has a big problem.
This is called encryption.
People in San Bernardino are communicating with people the FBI has been following.
But because their phone was encrypted, the phone was lost because intelligence officials could not see who they were talking.
We have to solve the encryption problem. It is not easy.
A president of the United States, again, must bring people together and have a position.
When these people are involved in these plots and plans, we need to be able to penetrate them.
We must infiltrate the ability of the local authorities to destroy.
That's what we need to do.
Encryption is a major issue that Congress has to deal with and the president has to deal with to ensure our security. (APPLAUSE)
Thank you, Governor.
The fight against radical Islamic terrorists and ISIS is called the war of our time.
So, let's talk about how each of you, as commander-in-chief, will fight this war and win it.
Senator Cruz, you said you would quote "carpet bomb ISIS is forgotten" to test if the sand can shine in the dark.
"Does this mean that tens of thousands of civilians are spreading the ISIS capital Raqqa in Syria?
Cruz: that means completely destroying ISIS with overwhelming air power.
In the long run, in the first Persian Gulf War, we launched about 1,100 air strikes a day.
We carried out 36 days of carpet bombing on them, and after the saturation bombing, our troops entered and cleaned up what the Iraqi army left behind in a day and a half.
Now, Obama launches 15 to 30 air strikes a day.
This is a photo of foreign policy.
We need to use overwhelming air power.
We need to arm the Kurds.
We need to fight and kill ISIS where they are.
Let me go back to the discussion a minute ago.
It is not lack of capacity to stop the Obama administration from blocking these attacks.
This is politically correct.
We didn't see this post on Facebook from the female San Bernardino terrorist because the Obama Department of Homeland Security didn't think it was appropriate.
She made a public appeal to the jihadist group, but they did not aim.
The Tsarnaev brothers and brothers publicly called for jihad, which the Obama administration did not target.
Nidal Hassan and Anwar al-
Awlaki, a prominent radical cleric, was asked to launch a jihad against his comrades.
The problem is that due to political correctness, the Obama administration, like many people here, wants to search everyone's mobile phones and emails.
Mail and no attention to bad guys.
Political correctness is killing people.
B: Thank you.
To be clear, Senator Cruz, are you going to carpet bomb ISIS capital Raqqa? There are a lot of civilians there, yes or no?
CRUZ: You will bomb the place where ISIS is, not a city, but a place where the troops are.
You use air power. -
You have embedded special forces to guide the air.
But the goal is not to level the city.
The goal is to kill ISIS terrorists. To make it --
Look, ISIS is gaining strength because they think they won.
President Obama poured fuel on this view.
When militants around the world see you give up your life when you join ISIS and you sign your death warrant, it will change, we need a president who is focused on defeating every ISIS terrorist and protecting his homeland, which should be the top priority.
B: Thank you.
Thank you, Senator.
Senator Rubio, you have been criticizing Senator Cruz's strategy.
You said his voting record didn't match his words. Why?
Rubio: First of all, let me say, we have to understand who ISIS is.
ISIS is a radical Sunni group.
They cannot be defeated by air strikes alone.
Air strikes are a key component of defeating them, but they must be defeated by ground forces on the ground.
Ground forces must be made up primarily of Sunni Arabs themselves, who reject them ideologically and fight them militarily.
We will have to embed more US special operations personnel around them, help them with training, help them with special tasks, and help improve air strikes.
Air strikes are important, but we need a capable air force.
Due to the budget cuts we face in this country, we will be left with the oldest and smallest Air Force we have ever had.
In addition to cutting our Navy and our troops, we have to reverse those cuts.
Besides that, I would like to say that we have to win the information war against ISIS.
Every war we 've been involved in has information about propaganda.
ISIS is winning a propaganda war.
They are recruiting people, including Americans, to join them and promise that they will join this great book of Revelation movement that will defeat the West.
We have to show what life is like in ISIS territory, we have to show them why ISIS is not invincible, by going out and carrying out these attacks and promoting them to the people they recruit.
Because I asked that question, Senator, because that's what you said.
You said he was referring to Senator Cruz, who voted against the defense authorization act every year, and I think if he voted against it, he would veto it as president.
This is a bill to fund our forces.
This is accurate.
He voted three times against the Defense Authorization Act, which funds the army.
By the way, it also provides funding for Iron Dome and other important projects.
I have to assume that if you vote against it in the Senate, you will also veto it as president.
By the way, he also supported a budget called containing the budget.
This is a budget that will fundamentally reduce our spending on the military.
If you don't have a plane or bomb to attack ISIS, you can't carpet bomb it.
If we continue the cuts we are doing now, not to mention the additional cuts, we will be left behind by the oldest and smallest Air Force in the country's history, so that we are less secure.
Senator Cruz?
CRUZ: You know, Marco continues with these attacks, and he knows they're not true.
Yes, I did vote against the defense authorization act because when I was running in Texas, I told voters in Texas that I would object to the federal government's right to detain the United StatesS.
Permanent citizens without due process.
I have repeatedly supported the effort to take this out of the bill, and I have fulfilled this campaign promise.
Host: Welcome to CNN-
The Facebook Republican presidential debate in Las Vegas, the Venetian.
Our audience is very enthusiastic.
Everyone is here.
They look forward to a serious and heated discussion on the security of the country.
I'm the host for tonight, Wolf Blitzer.
The debate was broadcast on CNN networks in the United States and around the world, as well as on Salem radio networks.
Nine leading candidates are here.
Let's welcome them now.
Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky(APPLAUSE)
Chris Christie, governor of New Jersey(APPLAUSE)
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush(APPLAUSE)
Texas Senator Ted Cruz(APPLAUSE)
Businessman and real estate developer Donald Trump(APPLAUSE)
Retirement of neural surgery doctorBen Carson. (APPLAUSE)
Florida Senator Marco Rubio(APPLAUSE)
Former hp ceo Carly Fiorina(APPLAUSE)
And governor of Ohio, John C.
Ladies and gentlemen, these Republican presidential candidates are welcome. (APPLAUSE)
This is the last Republican debate before the start of the election year, and we will take a photo of the two candidates on the stage.
Now, please stand up for the national anthem sung by Ella Brown. (National Anthem)(APPLAUSE)
I know everyone is eager to start.
So, candidate, please take your place as I explain the basic rules for tonight.
As a moderator, I will guide the discussion, and Hugh Hewitt, host of the Salem Radio Network talk show, and Dana Marsh, CNN's chief political correspondent, will ask questions with me.
We also ask Republicans and independents across the country to share their issues for candidates.
Over the past few weeks, we have partnered with Facebook to send a campaign camper across the country.
Thousands of people came in and recorded their problems.
There are millions more users on Facebook.
Candidates, I will try to make sure that each of you gets a fair share of the issues.
You have a minute and 15 seconds to answer, and the next 30 seconds.
Ups and rebuttal.
I will give you time to respond if you are criticized by name.
Our audience should know that when the candidate's time is up, we have timing lights that we can see to warn them.
As requested by the candidate, the bell will be like this.
We know you are all keen to get involved in discussing these important issues, so please wait until you are invited.
The nine Republicans are on stage based on their ranking in recent polls, so let's start now.
I would like to invite every candidate to introduce himself to our audience.
Give you a minute.
First, Senator Paul.
The question is, how do we protect the United States from the threat of terrorism?
Trump said we should shut down the Internet.
The question is, what does he mean?
Like in North Korea?
Like in China?
'We should always collect records of all Americans, 'Mr. Rubio said.
The constitution also stipulates.
I think they're all wrong.
I think by showing the terrorists that we are not afraid of terrorism.
I think if we ban certain religions and if we review the internet, I think the terrorists will win at this point.
Regime change will not succeed.
The overthrow of secular dictators in the Middle East will only lead to chaos and the rise of radical Islam.
I think if we want to defeat terrorism, if we really want to defeat it, we have to stop arming ISIS allies.
If we want to defeat terrorism, the boots on the ground-
The boots on the ground need to be Arab boots on the ground. As commander-in-
Chief, I will do everything I can to defend America.
But in the process of defending the United States, we cannot lose what the United States represents.
Today marks the anniversary of the Bill of Rights.
I hope we keep this in mind and cherish it in our fight against terrorism.
Thank you, Senator. (APPLAUSE)Governor Kasich?
Thank you, Wolf.
Just last weekend, just last week, a friend asked one of my daughters, "Do you like politics ? "?
My daughter said, "No, I don't know . "
The reason I don't like it is because there is too much fighting and too much shouting.
It's too loud. I don't like it.
"You know, I turned to my friend and I said," she was really doing something, you know.
"When we think about our country and the major problems we face in this country;
Create jobs, make sure people keep their jobs, raise the demand for wages, whether our children can find jobs after they graduate from college, protect their homes, destroy ISIS, and rebuild their defense.
These are the things we need to focus on, but we will never get there if we split.
If Republicans and Democrats just fight each other, we will never get there.
Frankly, we are Republicans, they are Democrats, but before that we were Americans.
I believe that we need to be united in many ways, to rebuild our country, to strengthen our country, to rebuild our defense, and to ensure the status of the United States in the world;
For us, for our children, for the next generation. Thank you. (APPLAUSE)
Governor Christie?
Christie: Thank you, Wolf.
America was betrayed.
Over the past few years, the leadership that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have provided for this country has betrayed us.
Think about what happened today.
The second-largest school district in Los Angeles was closed due to threats.
Think about the impact, and when these kids come back to school tomorrow, they will feel anxious about whether they will really be safe or not.
Think about the mother who will take these children to the bus station tomorrow morning and wonder if their children will return safely to that bus.
Think about the father of Los Angeles, who will go to work tomorrow and are curious about the safety of their wife and children.
What did Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton do to the country?
The most basic responsibility of a government is to protect the security of the American people.
I tell you, I'm a former federal prosecutor. I fought with terrorists and won. when we return to the White House, we will fight with terrorists and win again, america is safe. (APPLAUSE)BLITZER: Ms. Fiorina?
Like all of you, I'm angry.
I am angry at what is happening in our country.
Citizen, it's time to bring our country back.
The insults that are exaggerated will not be recovered.
Political rhetoric that promises a lot and promises very little will not be withdrawn.
All our problems can be solved.
A tested leader willing to fight for the identity of our country can heal all of our wounds.
I have tested it.
I beat breast cancer.
I buried a child.
I started with the secretary.
When I was called every B word in the book, I tried to get to the top of the American company.
I fought hard during this election and debate, and all the political insiders and experts told me, "this is impossible.
I was told, "No, my life.
I have refused to accept the answer "no" all my life.
Citizens, it's time to take back our country from the political class, the media, and the liberal elite.
This can be done, must be done, and together with me, we will be done. (APPLAUSE)
Governor Bush?
Bush: our freedom is under attack.
Our economy is in hot water.
Democratic leaders are under investigation.
The United States is under the rain of bullets that lead the free world to protect our civilized way of life.
A serious era requires strong leadership, which is the key now.
With regard to national security, we need to restore Barack Obama's defense spending to rebuild our army and destroy it before ISIS destroys us.
With regard to economic security, we need to take power and money from Washington, DC. C.
And empower American families to rise again.
Look, America is still a special country.
We like leadership. We like winning.
When we accept any challenge, when we accept it, we do so.
We support our friends.
As President, I will ensure the security, security and freedom of you and our country.
Thank you.
Senator Rubio?
Thank you, Wolf.
It's great to be back in Las Vegas.
As a child, it took me six years to grow up not far from where I am tonight.
I used to sit on our porch and listen to one of my grandfathers smoking three cigars a day, telling stories.
One of the things my grandfather instilled in me was that I was really lucky because I was a citizen of the greatest nation in our human history.
But there are always people in American politics who want America to be more like the rest of the world.
In 2008, one of them was elected president of the country, resulting in a disaster.
You have millions of Americans feeling left out today. . .
Today, you have millions of Americans who feel left out in their own country and struggle to live on a salary because they stick to traditional values and are called bias.
Around the world, when the president destroyed our army, our allies no longer trusted us, and our opponents no longer respected us, the influence of the United States has declined.
That is why this election is so important.
That's why I ran for president.
That's why I want you to vote tonight.
If you choose me as President, we will have a president who believes that the United States is the greatest country in the world, and we will have a president to do so. (APPLAUSE)
Senator Cruz.
Thank you, Wolf.
The United States is in a state of war.
Our enemy is not violent extremism.
This is not some kind of nameless malicious power.
It's a radical Islamic terrorist.
We have a president who does not want to name himself.
Men and women on this stage, each of us, are better prepared to protect the country than Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.
We need a president who understands the commander's primary obligation. in-
The first priority is to keep America safe.
If I were elected president, we would pursue the terrorists.
We will destroy ISIS.
We will stop the terrorist attacks until they happen, because we will not be prisoners of political correctness.
Instead, we will tell the truth.
Border security is national security and we will not recognize the jihadist as a refugee.
We will keep America safe. (APPLAUSE)BLITZER: Dr. Carson.
Thank you, Wolf.
Please join me in a moment of silence for the victims of San Bernardino. Thank you.
You know, our country has been in war every 15 or 20 years since its inception.
But the war we are now fighting with radical Islamic Jihad is something we must win.
Our existence depends on that.
You know, as a pediatric neurosurgeon, I often face issues of life and death and have to come up with the right diagnosis, the right plan, and often carry out the plan with other colleagues.
Now, America is the patient.
The patient is in critical condition and will not be cured by political correctness or timidity.
I ask the Congress on behalf of the people to declare war on ISIS so that we can start the process of removing cancer, start the process of treatment, bring peace, prosperity and security in the United States. (APPLAUSE)BLITZER: Mr. Trump.
TRUMP: Thank you.
I started this trip six months ago.
My whole focus is to build our army, strengthen our strength, build our borders, and ensure that China, Japan and Mexico no longer take advantage of our country's borders and trade.
Certainly not to make such a terrible, disgusting, absolutely incompetent deal with Iran getting $150 billion.
They are a terrorist country.
But I started talking about other things.
These are the things that I am very good at. maybe that's why I became the center of the stage. People saw it.
People like it.
People respect it.
Things changed a month ago.
Radical Islamic terrorism is more effective than in the past.
People like what I say.
People respect what I say.
We have had a very big discussion that needs to be done.
Thank you very much. (APPLAUSE)
B: Thank you.
Since the last debate, Americans have witnessed terrorist attacks in Paris and San Bernardino.
The FBI director says the United States is now facing the biggest terrorist threat since 9/11.
You all have different ways to keep the country safe.
This will be the focus of the debate tonight. BLITZER: Mr.
Trump, as you mentioned in your opening speech, part of your strategy is to focus on the borders of the United States.
For national security, you said you wanted to ban it for the time being.
Muslims from the United States;
Refugees fleeing ISIS are prohibited from coming here;
Deportation of 11 million persons;
The southern border of the United States.
The best way to make America great again is to isolate it from the rest of the world?
Trump: We're not talking about isolation.
We're talking about safety.
We're not talking about religion.
We're talking about safety.
Our country is out of control.
People are flocking to the southern border.
I'm going to build a wall.
This will be a great wall.
They won't come in unless people come in legally.
The medicine will not fall out of that wall.
Like the rest of the immigrants, where are they going, and thousands of people have phones with ISIS flags?
I don't think so, Wolf.
They won't come to this country.
If I were president, if Obama brought some to the country, they would leave. They're going. They're gone. (APPLAUSE)
Governor Bush, you called Mr. Bush.
When Trump proposed banning
American Muslims from the United States
Why is that?
BUSH: First of all, we need to destroy ISIS in the caliphate. That's --
This should be our goal.
If we destroy ISIS there, the refugee problem will be solved, which means we need a No.
The flight area, the safe area for refugees, and the establishment of a military force.
We need to take our strength-
Our troops inside the Iraqi army.
We need to arm the Kurds directly.
All of this must be done together with the Arab states.
If we are going to ban all Muslims, how can we make them part of the coalition to destroy ISIS?
The Kurds are the most powerful fighting force and our most powerful allies. They're Muslim.
This is not a serious suggestion, you see.
In fact, when we need to re-engage with the Muslim world in order to be able to develop a strategy to destroy ISIS, it will push the Muslim world, the Arab world away from us.
So Donald, you know, in--at the one-
But he's a chaotic candidate.
He will be a chaotic president.
He is not the commander-in-chief we need to defend our national security. (APPLAUSE)BLITZER: Mr. Trump?
Jeb really didn't believe I was crazy.
He said this simply because he failed in the campaign.
It was a disaster. Nobody cares.
Frankly, I am the most reliable person here.
I have built a great company and all I want to do is make America great again.
I don't want our country taken away. that's what's happening.
The policies we have suffered under the leadership of other presidents are a disaster for our country.
We want America to be great again.
To be fair, Jeb does not believe it.
BUSH: You see, he mentioned me. I can bring --I can talk. This is --
This is the problem.
Banning all Muslims will make it harder for us to do what we need to do, which is to destroy ISIS.
We need a strategy.
We need to get those lawyers out of the back of the fighters.
Now under President Obama, we created this. -
Custom message
Chat Online 编辑模式下无法使用
Chat Online inputting...