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Guest of August 25, 2016: Nicholas Kristoff, Eugene Robinson, Tara Wall, Ben Shapiro, David Corn, Frank Ridge, Katie Parker, Karin Jean-
PierreRACHEL MADDOW from MSNBC: this is what it is for us tonight, we will see you again tomorrow, and now is the last sentence with Lawrence O'Donnell,
MSNBC Lawrence O'Donnell: Rachel, of the many details you mentioned in your doctor's letter last night, what I really liked was why he had a GI doctor?
It's like-by the way, I didn't think it was such a great medical problem.
If there is no problem with this person.
MADDOW: It's one thing-it's one thing to see a gastrologist, it's nothing wrong, but why go to a 35-year-old gastrologist?
O'Donnell: Yes, you have one-MADDOW: Yes, it's-O'Donnell: You have to have some issues there -(LAUGHTER)
This is what you complain about.
So-MADDOW: We 've been-we 've been calling the doctor and trying to get some-at least, further statements from him.
We will let you know if we get it.
O'Donnell: OK, please let me know if you have an appointment with them, how this might be.
I will steal your magazine from the waiting room.
Okay, thank you, Rachel.
Thank you, Lawrence.
O'Donnell: So, what is a spoiled four? year-
Does the old boy do this when he feels guilty about something?
He accused others of doing what he did, and that's what Donald Trump did to Hillary Clinton tonight.
Donald Trump thinks he may harden again, which should be the third day of softening.
That's what he said, not what I said. (
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Donald Trump, president and president of the 2016 election nominated by the Trump Organization and the Republican party: there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country to return.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush: his views seem to be changing.
Unidentified Woman: I really can't tell you what Donald Trump's current immigration position is.
Comedian and TV host Jimmy Kimmel: He said he might soften, which is normal, and that's what a lot of men of his age do. But –(LAUGHTER)
TRUMP: They have to pay taxes.
There is no amnesty, and there is no unidentified male: right TRUMP: But we work with them.
Radio host Rush Limbaugh: who knows Donald Trump will come to support the Republican base of amnesty.
Bush: according to the feedback he received from the crowd, his views will change.
Unidentified male: 2-Trump: 2 -(CHEERS)
I think it's hateful.
Former Secretary of State hillary clinton: Donald Trump's campaign is based on bias and paranoia.
TRUMP: You are racist, you are racist, you are racist.
Clinton: a steady stream of stubborn prejudices.
Trump: Hillary Clinton is a paranoid!
CLINTON: But the truth is, there's no other Donald Trump, that's it.
TRUMP: You're a shame.
Clinton: his true message makes America hate again. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: Donald Trump had a history of racist behavior decades ago.
Some of them were taught to him by his father, Fred Trump, who managed to arrest himself at a three k party rally.
My first guest tonight, Nick Kristoff, recorded this history in a recent New York Times column.
Now Donald Trump realizes that without attracting voters without racism and prejudice, he can't win the election and he does what a wayward child might do, he accused his opponent of knowing he was guilty. (
Start Video Editing)
Trump: She's a paranoid. CROSSTALK)
Because if you look at what's going on in inland cities, you see what's going on in Africa
Americans in the country and Hispanic Americans, who have been talking there.
She's talking-see if she says the vet is basically fine.
This exaggerated what happened to the vet a while ago.
Reporter Anderson Cooper: Well, how could she be bigot?
Bigot is a-TRUMP: Well, because she is -(CROSSTALK)
Sell the pipe.
Because she didn't do anything for these communities.
She said very well, but she didn't do anything. CROSSTALK)
Cooper: she has hatred or Trump: her policies are like Trump: paranoia, her policies are paranoid because she knows they won't work.
You mean she's a paranoid?
Oh, of course she is.
Her policy, her policy-
She introduced her policies, and others believed as much as she did.
But she has introduced policies over the years.
It's been years.
For a long time she was completely paranoid and there was no doubt about it.
Cooper: But it's not. END VIDEO CLIP)
Hillary Clinton is a paranoid.
This is Trump's new campaign slogan.
No matter how many Africans
Americans openly complain about Donald Trump's remarks about them, and Donald Trump insists he knows better than Africans --
What African American?
Americans are thinking. (
Start Video Editing)
Cooper: You know, we talked to a lot of Africans.
American voters, some of them are insulted by some of the language you use.
Did you use-Trump: I don't think they are, I don't think they would be insulted at all if they really heard me. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: In an interview with Anderson Cooper tonight, Donald Trump seems to have reversed his two days of softening on the issue of mass deportation, saying that undocumented people will not be allowed to stay in the United States.
They will have to return to their country of origin and then ask to come back. (
Start Video Editing)
TRUMP: No pass.
Cooper: You talked about paying back taxes -- Trump: unless people --(CROSSTALK)
Leave the country-well, when they come back, they can start paying taxes if they come back.
Cooper: So, they still have to leave Trump, but there is no legal path unless they leave the country to come back. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: in a tough
Hillary Clinton spoke today about the recent changes in the Trump campaign, including Stephen Bannon, the new campaign CEO ). (
Start Video Editing)
Clinton: Trump likes to say he only hires the best people.
But he had to fire so many campaign managers, which was like an episode in apprentice. (CHEERS)
The latest reshuffle is aimed at making Trump ".
To do that, he hired a right-wing leader, Stephen Bannon.
Wing website called "Breitbart.
As CEO of the campaign.
Now, to get you to know his work, here are some of the headlines they make-I'm not making this up.
"Family planning makes women unattractive and crazy ". (LAUGHTER)
"Do you want your child to have Feminism or Cancer?
"" Gifuz, who loves to talk, is the human shield of the gun control movement.
Imagine Donald Trump reading this and thinking this is more needed in my campaign. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: The Clinton campaign released this online video today highlighting Donald Trump's support from white supremacists. (
Start Video Editing)
Unidentified male: Donald Trump will be the best candidate for the job.
Man: President?
I am a peasant and white nationalist and I support Donald Trump.
Unidentified male: There are illegal immigrants in the police station, building a wall and suspending Islamic immigrants, which is very attractive to many ordinary white people.
Unidentified male: opposing Donald Trump at this point is really a betrayal of your legacy. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: Donald Trump's response today is to pretend that Hillary Clinton says all supporters of Donald Trump are white supremacists. (
Start Video Editing)
Hillary Clinton is not just attacking me.
She is attacking people with all the backgrounds that are good, it doesn't matter, all the backgrounds support this incredible movement of a lifetime.
When Democratic policy fails, they only have this tired argument left, you are racist, they keep saying, you are racist
This is a disgusting argument. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: Join us now, Eugene Robinson, Pulitzer-
Award-winning critics for The Washington Post and Msnbc political analysts.
Filmmaker, Republican National Committee and former senior media adviser to the Romney 2012 campaign, Tara Wall.
We came to New York with the Pulitzer Prize Nicholas Kristoff.
Award-winning columnist for The New York Times.
Nick, your recent column on the history of Donald Trump, including his father's history, has brought many of us back to some of the things we forgot about in his history.
Donald Trump spoke tonight about one of the things you mentioned about the housing discrimination that he and his father were involved in and described how they used it as you understood it.
Nicholas Kristoff, columnist for The New York Times: of course, I waited for more than a thousand pages of these documents, the Nixon administration, you know, without saying that its civil rights campaign sued the Trump campaign, donald Trump became president for routine housing discrimination.
What they did was send testers to Trump properties, some whites and some blacks.
Black people have been told there is no room available.
White was told, yes, it's a nice apartment, you know.
It turns out that people who work in these buildings are told that if a black person does apply for an apartment, then their application will be coded, in one case, C stands for "color" so they don't give it to people who aren't white.
So you have a consistent policy on Trump's property.
The original lawsuit was 1973, and when Trump failed to enforce his consent order, there was a follower of the lawsuit, and then, you know, it was just 1970.
Then, in 1980 seconds and 1990 seconds, through this person, you have a similar Trump behavior on the whole level.
O'Donnell: Let's hear about Donald Trump's response to Anderson Cooper tonight. (
Start Video Editing)
Trump: Many years ago, when I was very young, we were sued by the government and sued many companies.
You know, it's not me, it's that they sued a lot of companies Cooper: But you're just-well, this company was sued for not allowing black people-Trump: you know?
They found nothing.
They found nothing.
Cooper: You solved it.
TRUMP: They brought this case up and I don't have any awards or anything.
Cooper: But will someone from your company use the word "Trump: I don't even know? Cooper: Look, Trump: To be honest, I can't tell you what a supervisor did in the building.
But I can tell you that they solved the case and that's how it ended.
Many years ago, I think they found out that we didn't do anything wrong because we didn't have to do anything.
We have not paid any money and we do not have to pay a fine of $20 million.
We don't have anything-Cooper: You didn't pay anything for the settlement.
Trump: We didn't -- it was a long time ago, but I don't think so, no. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: Nick, is this your Kristoff? Yes, O'Donnell: What is the understanding of this case?
KRISTOF: this is a complete false statement of what happened.
In fact, if you look at these clippings, everyone thinks that the solution at the time was a complete victory for the government.
They did agree to do all kinds of activities.
For example, they agreed to promote their property in black audience Publications.
So those-so Africa-
Those Americans who had to really enter these apartments agreed to end this discrimination.
Then, when they didn't, the government actually sued them again.
So, absolutely everyone admitted at the time that it was wrong --
Trump must take major steps to resolve the issue.
O'Donnell: and Gene Robinson, who has a long history on the wrong side of racist and biased allegations, turned the situation around and targeted others-Opinion writer Eugene Robinson, The Washington Post: yes, O'Donnell: people are trying to make the words completely meaningless.
If you stand up and say that Hillary Clinton is a paranoid, one of the things you're trying to do is make the word no longer meaningful.
Robinson: Yes, but it does make sense.
We know how it was cut in this election.
I mean, you know, think about it, when he was in his 20 s, Donald Trump and his father were sued for housing discrimination.
In her 20 s, Hillary Clinton worked for the children's protection fund in the South against school segregation.
So, Donald Trump is standing on stage and screaming Hillary Clinton is a bias-it's not only offensive, it's really crazy, like so many things in this campaign.
O'Donnell: a quote from Tara wolnick's column, from a 1991 book, about Donald Trump's uneasiness in finding out that there was a black man doing his accounting.
That's what Donald Trump is quoted in the book as saying, "Black people count my money and I hate it.
The only person I want to count my money is the short guy who wears yarmulke every day.
I think this person is lazy, it may not be his fault, because laziness is a trait of black people and I believe it is true.
It's not something they can control.
Reporter and filmmaker Tara Wall: Yes, I just had a chance to read about it on my way over.
Of course, I mean, if that's true, I'll follow Nick's report if it's accurate.
But if it is accurate, I mean, it is absolutely condemned.
I think it's right for Trump to say he doesn't remember saying or not.
Obviously I'm not there so I can't say it.
But if that happens, it should certainly be condemned.
I think the bigger problem with Trump is that even for the sake of argument, this happened a few years ago and he forgot, I think even in the clips that you just played with Anderson Cooper, you know, anyone who really lacks ownership of these things, these things will disappear right away on their knees
You know, we didn't -- it didn't happen, we didn't -- we solved it.
There is nothing there.
I mean, at some point, you will think that there is a certain level of respect, especially for the presidential candidate.
In any case, it is said that they want to reach the disputed voters.
But I think, you know, it's obviously disturbing, and, you know, it's legitimate, and I think these are issues that I think will continue to serve and publish, it may be announced in the debate.
But that's what I would say.
I mean, obviously, you know, we're in-in this game, when both sides are lobbying for racist allegations.
I mean, it's not unheard of for Democrats to propose racial cards, as they usually do in elections against Republicans.
I think it's always a subconscious act, though for Trump he provides so much feed that it's hard for him to give up any feed.
In this way, I think on the one hand, it is legitimate to raise this issue, and yes, the Democrats have failed, and black voters have surpassed the other in this respect or in this respect.
It is legal to propose it.
It is legitimate to raise this.
The problem is where the messenger and where it came from, especially since he had already exaggerated and spoken to minority voters in the early days.
O'Donnell: Hillary Clinton delivered her first speech today, in which she talked about alt-
Yes, another right on the Republican right, which is a term we have been learning recently.
They have many white nationalists who claim to be white supremacists.
Let's hear what Hillary Clinton said today. (
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Clinton: the de facto merger between "Breitbart" and the Trump campaign represents a landmark achievement for this group.
The Republican fringe element has actually been taken over.
This is part of a wider story.
The rise of the hardline right-
Nationalism around the world. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: one of their goals is to neutralise the language in order to be able to-it just accuses everyone of being a creature and therefore no one is a creature.
Kristoff: Yes, though, frankly, I don't think it might be a good strategy to start raising the word bias, because when you think of bias, you know, what do you see?
You will see a person with such a long record-as we said, since 1970 and his father were arrested at a tribal assembly in 1927. Woody Guthrie(ph)
Announced his father's racism at 1950.
And then, not only through casinos, Africa-
The Americans who worked with him at the casino said that when Donald Trump visited, all black employees were taken away and hid behind so that he could not see them.
Then, you know, you have tweets in the campaign.
I mean, this guy forwarded a photo of the founder of the American anti-genocide campaign twice.
Party-O'Donnell: it says white genocide-Kristoff: Panic-O'Donnell: it's on it, you know what it is, yes-Kristoff I do think a study finds, 1 out of 3 accounts forwarded by Trump are white nationalists, white supremacists.
You know, how do you find these sites here unless you're looking for them.
I mean, it does reflect the extent to which Donald Trump is not a mainstream Republican candidate.
But more like some of the far-right politicians we see in Europe.
O'Donnell: Gene, very quickly, it seems that Donald Trump is now confused about whether he is softening or hardening before we go-Robinson: Yes, of course-O'Donnell: I tell you these are what he said tonight-Robinson: Yes, I know-O'Donnell: What do we say when he talks about it?
We can't.
Okay, Robinson: We can't.
Okay, you-O'Donnell: We can't, yes-Robinson: A quote from his spokeswoman, Mr. Katrina Pearson.
Trump did not change his position, he just changed the words he used.
In fact, all he has is language. Lawrence, he has no place.
He has language, he has -- he has volume, and that's what we get.
Wall: even though I don't agree with Hillary Clinton about the point that this reflects the party.
I think what it does is that it undermines the efforts of the Republican Party, it comes mainly from Trump, and it touches on the basis of the core figures within the party.
When he did not immediately and consistently condemn such a person, it continued to provide such a narrative from those people.
O'Donnell: Tara Wall is the last sentence in this section.
Nick Kristoff, Eugene Robinson, Tara Wall, thank you very much for joining us and for its Donald Trump latest position on illegal immigration, which is also coming soon.
We're going to try to figure out if he's softening or hardening-that's what he thinks is going on here.
Hillary Clinton will be releasing the show on tomorrow's Msnbc show, Morning Joe. (
Business break)
O'Donnell: A new kunnipiac poll asked if Donald Trump should publicly publish his tax return?
74% said yes, including 66% of Republicans.
Donald Trump plans to address immigration today.
They canceled today's speech a few days ago and now we know why?
As of today, Donald Trump cannot decide whether he will soften or harden. That`s next. (
Business break)
O'Donnell: Donald Trump said that after a full two days of softening, he might harden again tonight.
He actually said he was not sure if he softened or hardened.
Now, I know it sounds crazy, I know some of you think I'm making this up, so I'll give it to you sirDonald J.
What should Trump be on the third day of softening.
Talk about softening and hardening. (
Start Video Editing)
Trump: We will have a very strong border.
After that, we need to see what happens.
But we will find people, we will get them right away, I mean my first hour-the first document I will sign will say, take the bad people away from this country, where do you bring them back?
Cooper: But I know, you know I have to follow up and you ask-you said in hanniti that you used the word "softening.
Even the hanniti you talked about last night-Trump: Well, I don't think it's a softening-Cooper: But 11 million people are no longer expelled-Trump: I 've heard people say it's a hardening. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: Join us now, David Cohen, president of Mother Jones Washington branch, political analyst at Msnbc, and former editor Ben Shapiroat-
"Breitbart News" and edit-in-
The person in charge of the "Daily Wire.
Ben, what is this softening or hardening?
Editor Ben ShapiroIN-
Director of The Daily Telegraph: Well, I mean, if you can't tell him in four hours, he should call his doctor.
But it's confusing, to say the least.
I'm not sure if he has a real stand on immigration.
My suggestion is that he should stop talking about immigration before he can figure out exactly what's going on.
O'Donnell: David Corn, we are now very clear on why today's immigration speech was canceled a few days ago.
He does not know where he is on this issue.
David Corn, director of the Washington bureau: I know, it's fun to joke, of course, I have four.
And an hour's joke, Ben, you beat me up.
Shapiro: that's what I always do.
O'Donnell: Yes-corn: But you know, the bigger-Lawrence, I think the bigger the point of hardening or softening the problem, I don't think Donald Trump is interested in the end, except for Donald Trump.
You look at any of his policy positions, they basically don't exist, or they don't, and they say, I don't tell you how he's going to do it, it's going to be done.
He's absolutely not interested in policy-if you look at his speech today, you know, Hillary Clinton, is basically a mob.
Its components have no policy elements at all.
The only policy factor he seems to really care about is the wall, which he has been insisting on.
Everything else is Trump's current idea.
O'Donnell: Now, this softening comes from the idea that he will not expel 11 million people on a large scale.
CORN: to O'Donnell: when he spoke to Anderson Cooper tonight, he said these people had to leave the country and then apply for legal entry.
So it sounds like they all have to leave.
But Ben, maybe that means he's not going to force them to leave, and it's basically going to let us leave, in terms of policy, exactly where we are now.
Shapiro: Well, I mean, what he's talking about now is what he originally proposed, touch --back amnesty.
So, both of them are the ones he would have called an amnesty, and one is only a regular Amnesty, not a knock-down.
When it's touched
Back to the amnesty, where they were shipped back, but, I mean, for God, his position is changing every moment.
If you don't like this answer then you can get another one in a few minutes.
This man has more places than the Kamacha Sutra.
I don't know how painful he was in the end, just because he had, you know, the people who really loved him, who were willing to move with him, which is a solid foundation of support.
He hopes that if he moves in the middle, people will move with him.
You know, I'm a very good guy, because it's not. CROSSTALK)
Shapiro: That's the case-corn: It's not so much a shift as a swing.
Because you don't know where his speech will be in this position.
You know, throughout the campaign, you know, talking about the wall and linking it to mass expulsions, which he mentioned over and over again.
Especially when he tries to beat Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio, they get him ahead of the polls.
Without a massive eviction, Trump would be like a barbecue.
Beef sandwich without roast beef.
O'Donnell: Yes, he makes fun of every candidate who is not in favor of mass expulsions.
Let's hear Donald Trump talk about how many people we might be talking about here in 12 seconds.
He has a whole new variable estimate of how many people here may be illegal.
Let's hear this. (
Start Video Editing)
TRUMP: You know, it's a process. you can't take 11 at a time. just say, boom, you're gone.
We have to find out where these people are.
Most people don't even know where-no one even knows if it's 11.
Cooper: So, it's still possible-Trump: maybe 30 or maybe 5.
No one knows how many people-Cooper: But if . (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: So Ben, the man who claimed that the country had been invaded and overmanaged by these people, has now dropped the estimate to only 5 million here.
Shapiro: Yes, I mean, I know where his 30 points came from.
He scored 30 points from Ann Coulter's estimate. INAUDIBLE)
The number of illegal immigrants in the United States she saw in the Mackenzie study was much higher than the census number.
I don't know where he got five, but I'm not sure if he has-I'm not sure.
I don't think he knows anything about it.
So, I think he's working on a policy and there's a reason why they put his speech off until next week.
Before his team figured out what they wanted to say, he was floating a trial balloon every day and said which balloon to pop up.
Ben Shapiro and David Corn, thank you so much for joining us tonight.
Corn: no problem.
Next, what do Glen Baker, Hillary Clinton and I agree?
This will be the case next, and we'll see if Frank Ritchie agrees with us.
Man: Yes, sir. (
Business break)
O'Donnell: there is only one person in human history who can get Hillary Clinton and Glenn Baker to agree on anything.
Of course, what I'm talking about. . . Donald J. Trump. (
Start Video Editing)
Hillary clinton, US presidential candidate, 2016: Trump is strengthening harmful stereotypes and whistling to the most hateful supporters.
This is a disturbing preview of what kind of president he will be.
Glenn Baker, radio host at Syndicate: this is a dog whistle.
He was talking to people with a dog whistle, but they heard something.
I don't know if what he said is true.
But everyone is different when people hear what he says.
He is in great trouble and, more importantly, we will be in trouble if he is elected. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: Frank Ritchie is now joining us as a well-known writer and executive producer of New York magazine, where HBO's Veep spent his most interesting writer's room in Hollywood
Frank, Hell's frozen.
Hillary Clinton and Glenn Beck agreed.
Frank Ritchie, an American prose writer: Don't forget, the Coca-Cola brothers are one of Trump's biggest critics. O`DONNELL: Yes.
They are patriots now. O`DONNELL: Yes.
Rich: That's how we came. O`DONNELL: Yes.
Rich: But look, O'Donnell: So he's an uniter.
Rich: He's an uniter, not a scorer.
But, you see, they're all right.
But it's still-they're the dog's whistle and everyone knows what they're talking about.
They are natives and racists.
I think Glen Baker is a bit insincere and a bit pretending that he didn't do anything because he is a huge supporter of the Tea Party.
Donald Trump is the illegitimate child of the Tea Party and Sarah Palin.
To some extent, Glen Baker and all the people who supported them.
But it looks better, at least Glenn Baker, you know, it's my point of view to be on the right side now.
O'Donnell: Yes, he-Glenn Baker has been against Trump from the very beginning, unlike Rush Limbaugh and Sean hanniti, the rest of the conservative media have completely abandoned the pair they used to get rich.
O'Donnell:-in favor of Trump.
Including most of Fox News. O`DONNELL: Yes.
Rich: No, you 've been independent from the beginning, and he's one of the rare uncompromising people, you know.
But he is rare.
I don't know if it will make any difference.
O'Donnell: Yes.
Now we all wonder if he's getting soft or hard.
This is usually not difficult to see.
But let's listen again to one of the things he said tonight about being here now and people who don't have documents may or may not get legal status.
Let's listen to this with Anderson Cooper. (
Start Video Editing)
Donald Trump, presidential candidate 2016: no path to legalization-Anderson Cooper, the main host of CNN News: You're talking about tax status-Trump: unless people leave the country-well, when they come back, if they come back, then they can start paying taxes.
So are they still leaving the country?
TRUMP: But there is no legal path unless they leave the country to come back.
Cooper: If you don't commit a crime, you 've been here for 15 years, you have family here, or you have a job here, will you be deported?
Trump: We will see what happens once we strengthen the border.
The answer is probably yes.
We need to see what happens. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: hardened or softened.
I gave it to the judge.
His policies look a bit like baseball.
Before you steal the second one, you touch the first one first, and that's you-that's the way to get some sort of immigration legal status.
This is nonsense. really, let's see what happens.
One thing he doesn't seem to give up is building that wall.
This is his-this is amazing about this.
They apparently tried to step back from this, because in all written speeches the wall has never been mentioned in the past few weeks. RICH: No.
O'Donnell: What's going on is that the impatient audience will start chanting about the wall at some point, and then he will clean up the wall stuff.
Now the wall is back. in in writing.
For Ann Coulter and others, that's what they hold on. RICH: Exactly.
O'Donnell: they are watching him reverse on other things.
They're gone. -oh, but the wall, the wall.
So I still support him because of the wall.
Rich: Yes, now we can even see from the interview with Cooper tonight that the Great Wall is like a magical power. O`DONNELL: Yes.
RICH: I mean, it's something I don't know from the poke, or something that would somehow solve the whole immigration problem.
We need to build a wall.
Let's see what happens. People will go. They`ll come.
This is not a policy.
But we all know, don't we?
Not everyone, including his supporters, including those of Ann Coulter, did not know it was nonsense.
O'Donnell: Now, I think that's probably the most important thing for a full reversal, even if it's only two days or how long.
Full reversal and mass expulsion is not the case for everyone, and he has the ability to reverse completely on anything. RICH: Exactly.
But I think it's always been like this.
I think he, you know, is-O'Donnell: But the true believers never saw this so clearly before last week.
I hope-I hope you are right.
But I still feel like I'm cynical or bored.
I will never. No. No. No.
Rich: I would say true believers, you know, we 've seen real believers at the Trump rally in the Washington Post saying, "We really don't believe he's going to build this wall.
He's just standing up for us.
We know Mexico won't pay.
He's the one we're looking.
"The details don't matter, I think-I think they're saying the same thing tonight, even though his first question-it's a big surprise for him.
O'Donnell: How do you think the new Trump campaign management team has been doing for almost a full week of the job?
They are genius.
What you see-what you see, I mean, obviously we see the influence of Kellyanne Conway as he is making these solemn speeches.
O'Donnell: she has two days to relax after a day.
Rich: she has softened for two days and she has asked him to say I want to explain why we should be friendly to black people who live in poverty, have no education or have a status in the United States.
So that's part of her.
I think Bannon "alt-
The right part we 've been talking about will start up again soon.
Felix and Oscar are a strange couple.
Yes, we will see what happens to the vote.
I mean, I'm curious, maybe I'll see a vote in five days to check the effects of softening and see how Trump reacts to that.
Yes, softening and hardening.
At least it has nothing to do with his fingers.
O'Donnell: that's what he said.
That's what he said.
He introduced the porn footage that some people think of as the show.
Frank Ritchie, thank you so much for joining us tonight.
Nice to meet you, Lawrence.
O'Donnell: In tonight's rewrite, the Indian protests in North Dakota remind us of the history that Americans are always trying to forget. (
Business break)
O'Donnell: it's time for Republicans to oppose Donald Trump's episode tonight.
The Wall Street Journal surveyed all the living former members of the White House economic advisers, a total of 45 economists, who served under eight presidents, all the way back to Richard Nixon.
The Wall Street Journal reported that none of the 17 Republican appointees who responded to the Wall Street Journal survey expressed support for Donald Trump.
Six other Republican-appointed officials did not respond to the investigation.
None of the Democratic appointees said they supported Donald Trump.
Economist Martin Feldstein, president of the Reagan administration, said I have known every Republican president since Richard Nixon.
They all have a real understanding of economic and international affairs.
Donald Trump has no such understanding.
And today, George W.
Bush's commerce secretary, Gutierrez, told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell why he supported Hillary Clinton. (
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Carlos Gutierrez, former US Secretary of Commerce: I know this is a controversial decision.
But, you know, about "alt-
"Right" is not just a fashionable word.
Immigration, populism, protectionism.
I'm not signing up for the Republican Party.
This is not the country I like.
Now, what is important to me is that the country, from a social point of view, will not go back 50 years.
This is my top priority.
That's why I work shifts. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: Next is the battle room, then the rewrite of America's forgotten history. (
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O'Donnell: it's time for the campaign Room tonight. Seventy-
Four days before the election, tonight in the Trump campaign room, they are not sure if they are softening or hardening. (
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Cooper: You said, I heard you use the word "softening.
Just last night, I also heard you say-Trump: Why do you think this is a softening.
I think it's-Cooper: But 11 million people are no longer deported.
Trump: It is said to be a tough battle. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: Republican strategist Katie Parker, former deputy campaign manager for Romney 2012 and MSNBC contributors, is joining our campaign room now.
And we, Karine Jean-
Pierre, senior adviser and national spokesperson for the 2016 elections from MoveOn.
Martin O'Malley organized the 2016 presidential campaign and the former deputy campaign.
Karin, which direction does Donald Trump go?
I want-I want to stop using those words of his choice.
What do you think happened here? KARINE JEAN-
PIERRE on, senior advisor and national spokesperson.
Look, we hear Donald Trump's point of view every week.
But what he's actually doing is 360 turns, right?
Never 180
It always rotates like this, just like a up and down, up and down, and then rotates as it rotates.
Look, what he's really doing is catering to white voters, right.
That's what he did.
He won't go after the black vote.
He won't go after the vote.
He is catering to these independent moderate voters, who he has seen in recent polls and who he is losing.
What is he-trying to wash away the one-month value of the racist, biased, gender-discriminatory statements and policies he has put forward.
But the problem is that he sings in the same choir, his own choir, and the congregation just doesn't listen to his nonsense.
O'Donnell: Katie Parker, from softening to hardening to softening, whatever it is.
What did it tell us in the last two or three days?
Now, tell us what happened to Trump and kellon and Kellyanne in the war room?
What happened here?
Katie Parker, former Mitt Romney campaign deputy manager: I think it's clear that they 've done a lot of focus group testing.
And found that part of the reason he slipped so badly in the polls was because his comments shut down voters needed for Republicans to win the election.
After the primary, I find it interesting, you know, the candidate who brought together the Republican primary voters is now clarifying the position of Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, john Kasic and other rational conservatives are expressing themselves.
The Republicans rejected it, called it an amnesty, and called it not everything.
Any of these candidates will now win the election.
Let's hear about Donald Trump tonight.
Basically, say.
When he switched to the position of Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, they tried to sound very tough and talk about the fact that he would never apologize.
Let's hear this. (
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Trump: I will never apologize for committing to enforce and uphold every law in the United States.
I will never make it mine--
What I'm going to tell you is that this is my top priority.
But is that the top priority? I think so.
So I will never apologize for giving priority to protecting American citizens as immigrants. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: So, Karin, in other words, he would never apologize for converting his position to the same person he opposed in the primary, and he laughed at these people for having the position? JEAN-
Look, Lawrence Trump is Trump.
I mean, he-his poll numbers and-his poll with Latino is almost baked, right?
This will not change.
They know who he is.
So what he's trying to do has nothing to do with the group of people or any minority he's been talking about.
This is the role assassination he continues to do.
One thing I want to say is that the Clinton campaign did a great opposition study.
They released a report today saying that Bannon did have been accused of domestic violence once, and that it was a great opposition study if you were here to talk about war rooms.
It has to do with her cliffhanger-her cliffhanger remarks about him today.
O'Donnell: Katie Parker, the latest kunnipiac poll, the national poll, Clinton 51, Trump 41, the leading edge, far beyond the error range.
Parker: Yes, I'm sorry to be a Republican agent who really cares about this party.
If any of the other candidates I mentioned just now, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasic, have any more rational conservatives nominated, we're going to talk about Hillary Clinton and her lack of transparency this week.
She hides emails from the FBI and the public.
You know, things that are really dangerous, and things that highlight the negative effects that voters have accepted.
But unfortunately, we nominated a candidate who had these anchors hanging around his neck.
O'Donnell: we only have so much time in the war room tonight.
Katie Parker and Karin Jean
Pierre, thank you both for coming tonight. PACKER: Thanks.
O'Donnell: Next, a Native American protest this month in North Dakota reminds us of something the country has tried so hard to forget.
This is the next one in the rewrite. (
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Dakota means friends, friendly.
Unfortunately, the person who took the name for the Dakota has never been treated as a friend.
People's languages are used to name Dakota and Minnesota, Iowa and Homer, Ohio, Connecticut, Massachusetts and other states, Native American tribes.
People who were here long before us were never treated as friends.
In any war in this country, they are treated as enemies and treated more harshly than any other enemy.
After all the major wars we had, we signed peace treaties and lived in accordance with them.
After World War II, when we reached peace with Germany, we did everything we could to rebuild Germany.
After World War II, no Native American tribe was treated like we did with the Germans.
Donald Trump and his supporters are now worried that the country will be invaded by foreigners who want to change our way of life, a fear that Native Americans have lived together every day for more than 500 years.
The original sin of this country is that our invaders shot and killed our way through this land, killed every Native American we could kill, and signed a treaty with others.
The country was founded on genocide, before the word genocide was invented, before a war crimes tribunal in The Hague.
When we finally stop actively killing Native Americans for the crime of living here, we violate every treaty we have signed with the tribe, every treaty.
We put the crime above the crime, and put the crime against us only the people who live where we want to live above the crime.
We do not feel guilty of these crimes, because we pretend that they occurred in ancient history long ago, and we actively suppress the memory of these crimes.
But there are still people alive today whose grandparents are killing Native Americans.
These crimes have occurred recently.
Every once in a while, there is a painful, morally embarrassing reminder, like this week near the rock-Su reserve at North Dakota station, where hundreds of people gather, oppose an interstate pipeline from North Dakota to Illinois.
The protest was led by the country's first environmental-friendly Native Americans.
For hundreds of years, they were our only environmental activists.
The only one who thinks that land and rivers should remain in a natural state.
The only one who thinks that a mountain, a prairie, or a river is a sacred land.
Yesterday, a federal judge heard the tribe's argument against the federal government approving the pipeline and said he would make a decision next month on whether the pipeline could continue.
More than 93 tribes are now gathering to protest the pipeline.
Even if the judge allowed the construction to continue, the protest would certainly continue.
Therefore, we are faced with the prospect of future generations next month, who are the first to set foot on this land and arrested by the descendants of the invaders who occupied this land.
Arrested for trespassing, we still have aboriginal Americans staying in this country and arrested for trespassing on their own land, which proves the kindness of the genocide invaders who occupy and occupy their land.
But for the amazing power of the people who have been before us for a long time, the endurance of 500, and the eternal dignity, those who have always known what is truly divine in this world. (
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